A2, A3, A4, M4????

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Major
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Mar 22, 2008 11:43 am

I feel like a real novice not knowing this, but could someone please tell me the difference between the various rifle designations, A2, A3, A4, and M4? As always, any insight you guys can offer me is greatly appreciated.


Brigadier General
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Mar 22, 2008 5:35 pm

IN WICH MODEL AR15 OR M16 , A2 3RD GEN , FIXED SIGHTS HEAVY BAREL BURST 3RD FOR 16, A3 SAME BUT FLAT TOP , A4 GETTIN IN TO FULL AUTO / BURST /SEM M4 SHORTER COLLAPSIBLE STOCK , LIKE A CAR 15 . DONT FOR GET THE AR15 , AR15A1 , AND M16A1 .......... ARE WE THERE YET ? JUST PUTTING IT IN A NUT SHELL , NOT THE TECHNICAL STUFF !


Brigadier General
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Mar 22, 2008 6:10 pm

Captain,
Great question. Having a pretty good idea, but not knowing the specifics, I did some fascinating web research. This is what I came up with. The fully automatic M16 was the initial version first adopted in 1964 by the USAF. This version did not have a forward assist and no elevation adjustment of the rear sight. It is the version that utilized a triangular forearm. The U.S. Army began to distribute this rifle to it’s forces in Vietnam early 1965. The US Marine Corps adopted the rifle also. It was standardized as the M16A1 in 1967 with a few modifications. First, and in my opinion the most important, it was issued with a fricken cleaning kit. The second, A1 incorporated the forward assist. This version remained the primary infantry rifle of the US military from 1967 until the 1980s. Then it was supplemented by the M16A2. This version had improved adjusable elevation sight system and three round burst capability. During the early 1980s a standardized cartridge was adopted. The 5.56 mm NATO. The M16A3 again had a fully-automatic capability and a flat top without a carry handle, issued primarily within the United States Navy. The M16A2, in turn, is currently being supplemented by the M16A4, which also had the flattop receiver and this was the platform eventually developed into the M4 Carbine with the Picatinny rail System.

The A1, A2, A3, and A4 all stand for the generational configurations of the M16 Rifle. A simplistic description of each version:
-A1 Upper has the non removable carry handle and rear sight. Short butt stock
-A2 Upper also has the non removable carry handle but the rear sight has an added elevation adjustment knob. Longer butt stock and a four position telescopic or collapsible stock.
-A3 Upper is the Flat top uppers
-M4 with a flattop upper, carbine gas system, fatter hand guard and variations included additional weapon systems such as a grenade launcher and shotgun attachments. I ask to be corrected if I have made a mistake, however this is my understanding of this firearm and it’s variations.

"When you're determined to survive, you leave nothing to chance."


Captain
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Mar 22, 2008 6:19 pm

not much changed on the M4 just the sight adjustment and the main reciever,barrel ever things is he same but newr looking always remember that and the performance will be the same. but as long you know the AR15 you should be good
yeah being Inupiaq is great


Major
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Mar 24, 2008 9:28 am

That's excellent info guys. I recently bought a Rock River LAR-15 in 5.56 off a buddy of mine (at a great price,) and wasn't sure which one it was. Mine has a fixed carry handle, adjustable rear stock, and fully adjustable rear site, so I'm assuming it's an A2.


Captain
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Mar 24, 2008 4:20 pm

has any1 tried the 6.5 grendal or the 6.8 verision of the AR15 yet ?

yeah being Inupiaq is great


Brigadier General
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Mar 24, 2008 6:23 pm

Captain Brad,
That would be my assumption. Congratulations on your latest acquisition.
I'm glad it went to a good home.

"When you're determined to survive, you leave nothing to chance."


Brigadier General
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Mar 25, 2008 4:49 am

brad rock river is a decent rifle , enjoy . I have had three of them , never hade any problems with mine , but they went to good homes also .Never could hold on to ar's , I buy them use the thing for a course or two , then get rid of them , they will always sell it is one you can get your money back on so dont worry about it just shoot it !


Major
Points: 207
Mar 26, 2008 8:41 am

Thanks Chain and Fred...I don't think I'll be getting rid of mine any time soon. Do either of you know what the L in LAR-15 stands for?
I'm definitely not worried about getting my money out of it. It came with a scope, case, 2-40 round and 2-30 round mags, and 700 rounds of ammo. I gave 900 for it.


Brigadier General
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Mar 26, 2008 6:24 pm

You really did great. $900 for the rifle & mags would have been a deal.
"When you're determined to survive, you leave nothing to chance."


Major
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Mar 26, 2008 11:26 pm

Right place right time.


First Lieutenant
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Apr 3, 2008 9:25 pm

The General is right to ask if we're talking M16 or AR15. My Oly Ultra Match has an A2 stock, A3 flat top, etc. Sorry, not much help, but now, I'm a bit confused also!!!! I have the Mak codes, but I would assume the "L" stands for law enforcement.


Captain
Points: 134
Apr 5, 2008 5:11 pm

actually Smith the M16 is part of the AR15 design just a new word the Marine Corp renamed and change some things in the late 1970's.

A good man does nothing in battle of the enemy. so create sin and be ready for the next attack.


Brigadier General
Points: 485
Apr 5, 2008 9:30 pm

Close AK, please review the 03/22/08 post above.
Armilite's AR15 did indeed become the M16. The other military designations are generational variations of the original concept. As well as the numerous civilian manufacturers cloned copies. The AR15 is now considered the civilian semi-auto version.

"When you're determined to survive, you leave nothing to chance."


First Lieutenant
Points: 92
Apr 19, 2008 2:34 pm

So, would I consider mine as a AR15,A3 if I were trying to help identify the design of my rifle to someone?